Life is sad. People, you know, are going to pass, and you know that you will one day.

Maybe it's just parenthood that puts you in a situation where you just have to develop a new attitude, I guess, about things.

For the longest time, I didn't even want to admit I was serious about music. Before the Shins, I would tell myself, 'Oh, I'm going to figure something out someday.' I had this romantic vision of being this old dude maybe making guitars or something.

Life is sad. People, you know, are going to pass, and you know that you will one day.